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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:19 pm Reply with quote
streetboy651
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Rear D: Shimano 600 Tri-Color 6401 or '85 Campy Victory. My '85 Gitane Pro came with the Shimano 600 and the seller included the original Camp Victory. I've been riding it with the 600 and its ok but I don't index shift which the 600 affords me - so i was thinking of returning the bike to stock with the Victory. I hear the Victory ain't as good as the Shim 600. Any thoughts on the '85 Victory RD or is there something else i could be looking at? Similar era, C-record? I don't kno campy well so any input is appreciated
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:49 pm Reply with quote
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streetboy651 wrote:
Rear D: Shimano 600 Tri-Color 6401 or '85 Campy Victory. My '85 Gitane Pro came with the Shimano 600 and the seller included the original Camp Victory. I've been riding it with the 600 and its OK but I don't index shift which the 600 affords me - so i was thinking of returning the bike to stock with the Victory. I hear the Victory ain't as good as the Shim 600. Any thoughts on the '85 Victory RD or is there something else i could be looking at? Similar era, C-record? I don't know campy well so any input is appreciated


Hide the kids... Cover your eyes... Heresy! Sacrilege!

Campy = Vanity!

In the late 80s, Campagnolo broke down and started copying Japanese rear derailleur design. Prior to that, Campy rear derailleurs were a series of slight modifications to an early 50s design.

The Victory and early C-Record derailleurs were cosmetic modifications of the second generation Super Record derailleurs which date back to the late 1970s.

Campy SR



Campy Victory



Late 80s Campy with drop parallelogram like Shimano and Suntour



For looks go with the Campy Victory to keep it all original.

For performance and easy shifting go with the Shimano 600 RD.

See Frank Berto's book, "The Dancing Chain" Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:13 am Reply with quote
streetboy651
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hey - thanks for the history lesson. What about a campy upgrade? I was riding a friend's 89 bottecchia and i thought that C record(?) was pretty smooth. That's sorta what brought this on.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:55 pm Reply with quote
verktyg
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streetboy651 wrote:
hey - thanks for the history lesson. What about a campy upgrade? I was riding a friend's 89 bottecchia and i thought that C record(?) was pretty smooth. That's sorta what brought this on.


As shown above, Campy went to the dropped parallelogram rear derailleur design ala Suntour and Shimano (actually, Suntour's patent expired).

There can be lots of reasons why a bike shifts better:

Lubrication, cables and cable housings, shifters, chain, freewheel or cassette.

All things being equal, I doubt that you are going to find much difference in shifting performance between your Shimano 600 RD and a Campy C-Record RD.

I have an almost new 1975 Shimano Crane RD on one of my Colnagos. It shifts better than any Campy derailleur made before the late 1980s when they changed their design.

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1969 TdF
1971 TdF
1974 TdF
1984 TdF x 2 Bikes
1970 SC
1971 SC
1972 SC
1984 SC
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1985 Professional
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:55 am Reply with quote
streetboy651
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Actually, your probably right. I suspect the smooth issue is coming from the shimano 600 tri-color shifter her than the RD. The lever has that switch for index and friction shifting. And when using it in friction mode, i feel a very fine texture when moving the levers. Probably some compromise they made to support both friction and index in one lever.
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